Chain geekery: Chisel Ground vs Chisel Filed

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<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--> You make some valid points, and you’re right about some of it. You obviously know what you’re talking about, so your thoughts are appreciated.

But the depth gauges on the ground chain were in fact set/ ground, specifically for soft wood as requested. I’m just not the guy who prepared that chain. The rakers on the filed chain were done w/ a FOP, because that’s how I always do them. So that factor is still not actually the same.

The cutters on the filed chain are necessarily a little shorter, since that’s how far I have to go to get the top plate angle I want. So that factor is clearly not the same.

The side plate angle isn’t that much different, but I’d say they turned out a bit steeper on the filed chain. Not as steep as the hogged-out gullets make them appear, though. I like to get that material out to make my filing easier, and I’ve now hogged them out on the ground chain in anticipation of some serious filing.


And my work chains don’t dull quickly. I’ve cut three big loads of wood, and I have yet to file a chain. If they had any hint of needing it, I’d gladly do it just to get back in practice.

I still figure the one substantive difference in geometry is the top plate angle, and it’s a huge difference. Certainly not a very scientific comparison, but my objective was to compare two basic work chains with one essential difference in geometry. One of those basic work chains is the same as I’ve used for 30 years, though not my best filing job.


For this comparison to be more scientific and instructive, a guy would need to grind or file one chain with a 4- or 5-degree top plate (can you do that on a grinder?) and another chain with essentially factory angles (that’s what it appears I have here) but to the same cutter length. Then do the depth gauges the same on both chains and compare. That would tell us something, and I’d be happy to accept the results for what they are.

Another worthwhile experiment would be to gradually decrease the top plate angle on a chain in small increments and keep testing until one reaches the point of diminishing returns. That’s something I’ve advocated for years. A guy could maintain another chain with more stock angles (or whatever is desired) to use as a control in the experiment. That would tell a lot.

[FONT=&amp]My purpose was to offer some insights born of experience and to offer an alternative of radically different geometry, not to stack the deck. 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File-o-plates are aggressive on racker depth.

3 cord of softwood shouldn't dull any chain... cut 3 cord standing dead elm... different story.
 

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I've found the less top plate angle, the wider the kerf. While a radical angle may work well, the experiment would also have to factor in things like amount of wood cut per chain, as shortening cutters will decrease the service life, and bar wear.

Any tool or machine is a compromise of many factors, that's why ripping chain comes with less angle from the get go.
 

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